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		<title>By: ann</title>
		<link>http://www.milehighmamas.com/2008/04/29/278/#comment-2295</link>
		<dc:creator>ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 22:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We moved here in January.  I&#039;ve loved getting to know the couple across the street.  They just had a baby boy on April 22.  Her mother told me just two days ago that a year ago in May they lost their first baby when her daughter (our neighbor across the street) was 6 months pregnant.  The baby just stopped moving.  No explanation.  These past two days I&#039;ve been at a loss as to what to do or say, May 9 is just around the corner.  Since my friend didn&#039;t tell me herself, but instead her own mother did, I thought it might be best to wait until she herself is ready to talk about it.  Do you think that&#039;s the best thing to do?  I&#039;m so thankful I found this post today, I&#039;ve been praying for her and her husband a lot, that their hearts will heal as they take care of their new baby.
Thank you so much for sharing with us, Gretchen.  I&#039;m so sorry you&#039;ve had to endure this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We moved here in January.  I&#8217;ve loved getting to know the couple across the street.  They just had a baby boy on April 22.  Her mother told me just two days ago that a year ago in May they lost their first baby when her daughter (our neighbor across the street) was 6 months pregnant.  The baby just stopped moving.  No explanation.  These past two days I&#8217;ve been at a loss as to what to do or say, May 9 is just around the corner.  Since my friend didn&#8217;t tell me herself, but instead her own mother did, I thought it might be best to wait until she herself is ready to talk about it.  Do you think that&#8217;s the best thing to do?  I&#8217;m so thankful I found this post today, I&#8217;ve been praying for her and her husband a lot, that their hearts will heal as they take care of their new baby.<br />
Thank you so much for sharing with us, Gretchen.  I&#8217;m so sorry you&#8217;ve had to endure this!</p>
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		<title>By: Megan@SortaCrunchy</title>
		<link>http://www.milehighmamas.com/2008/04/29/278/#comment-2294</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan@SortaCrunchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 22:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful advice, Gretchen.  Thanks for sharing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful advice, Gretchen.  Thanks for sharing this.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne</title>
		<link>http://www.milehighmamas.com/2008/04/29/278/#comment-2293</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 13:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a great reminder about grief and miscarriage.  I think the &quot;you can get pregnant again&quot; or &quot;it was for the best, look how many kids you already have,&quot; were probably the most hurtful to me.

Those who offered a hug, a shoulder to cry on and didn&#039;t speak much at all were the most comforting.  They said they cared without words, but their actions spoke loudly.

http://www.live4truth13.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great reminder about grief and miscarriage.  I think the &#8220;you can get pregnant again&#8221; or &#8220;it was for the best, look how many kids you already have,&#8221; were probably the most hurtful to me.</p>
<p>Those who offered a hug, a shoulder to cry on and didn&#8217;t speak much at all were the most comforting.  They said they cared without words, but their actions spoke loudly.</p>
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		<title>By: Aimee</title>
		<link>http://www.milehighmamas.com/2008/04/29/278/#comment-2292</link>
		<dc:creator>Aimee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Gretchen, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Gretchen, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.milehighmamas.com/2008/04/29/278/#comment-2291</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a woman who has had a miscarriage, I would also like to recommend to those people who don&#039;t know what to say, that it is also nice when I was asked how I was doing a few months later.  Many people forget that grieving can go on for awhile and when someone checked in on me later, it showed that they really do care.  Many of my friends and family would forget that it can take awhile to get through that hard time.  They would almost act as if it didn&#039;t happen.    Other than that, I think Gretchen&#039;s advice is right on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a woman who has had a miscarriage, I would also like to recommend to those people who don&#8217;t know what to say, that it is also nice when I was asked how I was doing a few months later.  Many people forget that grieving can go on for awhile and when someone checked in on me later, it showed that they really do care.  Many of my friends and family would forget that it can take awhile to get through that hard time.  They would almost act as if it didn&#8217;t happen.    Other than that, I think Gretchen&#8217;s advice is right on.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.milehighmamas.com/2008/04/29/278/#comment-2290</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 05:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gretchen,
I am so sorry that you have gone through so much deep grief. I am so sorry to hear about your precious babies and I send you support.

Your story allows me to share mine: I lost my son while 8 months pregnant and it was and is absolutely devastating. Until this huge and painful loss appeared in my life I thought, &quot;I&#039;m someone who is always fortunate and things go well for me.&quot;

Now I know that we will all be face to face with death at some point....our own, our children&#039;s, our parents and on and on. None of us live forever, right?

You are absolutely right, Gretchen, that it is hurtful and incredibly painful for others to try to place blame or make excuses about why our babies died. I understand that people are often trying to make sense out of something that does not make sense, but the wrong words can be so deeply painful. Placing blame of any kind on the mother is unbelievably hurtful. Modern medical science usually has no clue as to the exact answers for why so many babies die and that is surprising in 2008. You are so true to state that it is best to just say, &quot;I&#039;m so sorry.&quot; Those simple words show compassion and that is what is needed more than anything. Words that try to &#039;explain&#039; or &#039;resolve&#039; something that cannot be explained or resolved are usually painful to hear.

For those of you who may be suffering from the loss of your baby, I am so sorry. Mother&#039;s Day can be particularly difficult. My advice while going through grief is to allow yourself to grieve. Allow yourself the time and space to be in the pits of grief and find supportive and caring people to talk to when you want to talk. Figure out what helps you from a long bath to writing in a journal to being alone and crying your eyes out. Grief is a long and painful journey. The old adage of &#039;pull yourself up by the bootstraps&#039; is crap...As one friend told me, &quot;You can&#039;t go over it, you can&#039;t go under it, you simply have to go through it.&quot; There is no exact time-line for grief, as it is individual and grief is also very individual. Each person needs to grieve in their own way that is healing for them. A grieving person does not need to be &quot;fixed&quot;, but needs tremendous compassion.

A few outstanding resources in the Denver area:

Assistance with Grief (an outstanding group specifically for those who have lost a baby) 303-788-LOSS

www.MissFoundation.org  (groups meet in Parker and also in Denver. The leaders of these groups are incredible)

Footprints Grief Group for children through the Denver Hospice (because older siblings experience deep loss and grief as well)
303-321-2828
www.footprints.hmd.org

www.WalktoRemember.org
(An annual walk that is beautiful and helpful)

www.RowanTreeFoundation.org
(A great resource with articles and there is also a beautiful memorial statue of an angel that you can visit in Parker)

I send all of you who have lost a precious baby my compassion and deepest sorrow.
Jill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gretchen,<br />
I am so sorry that you have gone through so much deep grief. I am so sorry to hear about your precious babies and I send you support.</p>
<p>Your story allows me to share mine: I lost my son while 8 months pregnant and it was and is absolutely devastating. Until this huge and painful loss appeared in my life I thought, &#8220;I&#8217;m someone who is always fortunate and things go well for me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now I know that we will all be face to face with death at some point&#8230;.our own, our children&#8217;s, our parents and on and on. None of us live forever, right?</p>
<p>You are absolutely right, Gretchen, that it is hurtful and incredibly painful for others to try to place blame or make excuses about why our babies died. I understand that people are often trying to make sense out of something that does not make sense, but the wrong words can be so deeply painful. Placing blame of any kind on the mother is unbelievably hurtful. Modern medical science usually has no clue as to the exact answers for why so many babies die and that is surprising in 2008. You are so true to state that it is best to just say, &#8220;I&#8217;m so sorry.&#8221; Those simple words show compassion and that is what is needed more than anything. Words that try to &#8216;explain&#8217; or &#8216;resolve&#8217; something that cannot be explained or resolved are usually painful to hear.</p>
<p>For those of you who may be suffering from the loss of your baby, I am so sorry. Mother&#8217;s Day can be particularly difficult. My advice while going through grief is to allow yourself to grieve. Allow yourself the time and space to be in the pits of grief and find supportive and caring people to talk to when you want to talk. Figure out what helps you from a long bath to writing in a journal to being alone and crying your eyes out. Grief is a long and painful journey. The old adage of &#8216;pull yourself up by the bootstraps&#8217; is crap&#8230;As one friend told me, &#8220;You can&#8217;t go over it, you can&#8217;t go under it, you simply have to go through it.&#8221; There is no exact time-line for grief, as it is individual and grief is also very individual. Each person needs to grieve in their own way that is healing for them. A grieving person does not need to be &#8220;fixed&#8221;, but needs tremendous compassion.</p>
<p>A few outstanding resources in the Denver area:</p>
<p>Assistance with Grief (an outstanding group specifically for those who have lost a baby) 303-788-LOSS</p>
<p><a href="http://www.MissFoundation.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.MissFoundation.org</a>  (groups meet in Parker and also in Denver. The leaders of these groups are incredible)</p>
<p>Footprints Grief Group for children through the Denver Hospice (because older siblings experience deep loss and grief as well)<br />
303-321-2828<br />
<a href="http://www.footprints.hmd.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.footprints.hmd.org</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.WalktoRemember.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.WalktoRemember.org</a><br />
(An annual walk that is beautiful and helpful)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.RowanTreeFoundation.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.RowanTreeFoundation.org</a><br />
(A great resource with articles and there is also a beautiful memorial statue of an angel that you can visit in Parker)</p>
<p>I send all of you who have lost a precious baby my compassion and deepest sorrow.<br />
Jill</p>
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		<title>By: Traci</title>
		<link>http://www.milehighmamas.com/2008/04/29/278/#comment-2289</link>
		<dc:creator>Traci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing and shedding light on this subject. I was shocked at the deep dark pain I felt when I lost my angel at 10 weeks. I found wonderful resources in a grief counselor, the Assistance with Grief program through Swedish Hospital and the MISS Foundation which holds support groups for those who have had pregnancy and infant loss. Also, the Footprints Grief program provides wonderful classes for little ones who are trying to understand and process their own grief. My best advice...don&#039;t be afraid to seek help. It makes a world of difference to have someone who understands walking with you through the darkness.  Honor your little angel in ways that are comforting to you. And don&#039;t buy into the myth that just because you have a loss early in pregnancy it shouldn&#039;t be painful...someone in one of my support groups once said &quot;regardless of it you are hit by a semi or a pick-up truck, it still hurts!&quot;
I am so sorry for your losses Gretchen, thank you for sharing, and great to hear about the Mother&#039;s Day Alternative Service too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sharing and shedding light on this subject. I was shocked at the deep dark pain I felt when I lost my angel at 10 weeks. I found wonderful resources in a grief counselor, the Assistance with Grief program through Swedish Hospital and the MISS Foundation which holds support groups for those who have had pregnancy and infant loss. Also, the Footprints Grief program provides wonderful classes for little ones who are trying to understand and process their own grief. My best advice&#8230;don&#8217;t be afraid to seek help. It makes a world of difference to have someone who understands walking with you through the darkness.  Honor your little angel in ways that are comforting to you. And don&#8217;t buy into the myth that just because you have a loss early in pregnancy it shouldn&#8217;t be painful&#8230;someone in one of my support groups once said &#8220;regardless of it you are hit by a semi or a pick-up truck, it still hurts!&#8221;<br />
I am so sorry for your losses Gretchen, thank you for sharing, and great to hear about the Mother&#8217;s Day Alternative Service too!</p>
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		<title>By: Kagey</title>
		<link>http://www.milehighmamas.com/2008/04/29/278/#comment-2288</link>
		<dc:creator>Kagey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How appropriate that this was posted now. I just received an email from a friend of mine who goes to this church, announcing a different kind of Mother&#039;s Day service. I pass it on so that anyone who might need this kind of event this Mother&#039;s Day can know about it.

Hello wonderful women in my life!
Just wanted to let you know that St. James is doing an interesting thing around Mother&#039;s Day. We will be hosting a Healing and Wholeness Service for those who have some grief around Mother&#039;s Day...those who have lost children, whose moms have died or for those who have never been able to have children.
 
Friday, May 9, 7pm at St. James (corner of Belleview and Lowell) in Avery Hall
 
Just so you know - A Healing and Wholeness service at our church does not mean a kind of &quot;shouting and forehead slapping&quot; experience. It generally means quiet, some worship/singing time all together and then reflection stations you can go to around the room (or not) - these might include places to light a candle, journal, have someone pray with you etc.
 
Please pass this on to anyone you know who might benefit from this non-Hallmark version of Mother&#039;s Day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How appropriate that this was posted now. I just received an email from a friend of mine who goes to this church, announcing a different kind of Mother&#8217;s Day service. I pass it on so that anyone who might need this kind of event this Mother&#8217;s Day can know about it.</p>
<p>Hello wonderful women in my life!<br />
Just wanted to let you know that St. James is doing an interesting thing around Mother&#8217;s Day. We will be hosting a Healing and Wholeness Service for those who have some grief around Mother&#8217;s Day&#8230;those who have lost children, whose moms have died or for those who have never been able to have children.</p>
<p>Friday, May 9, 7pm at St. James (corner of Belleview and Lowell) in Avery Hall</p>
<p>Just so you know &#8211; A Healing and Wholeness service at our church does not mean a kind of &#8220;shouting and forehead slapping&#8221; experience. It generally means quiet, some worship/singing time all together and then reflection stations you can go to around the room (or not) &#8211; these might include places to light a candle, journal, have someone pray with you etc.</p>
<p>Please pass this on to anyone you know who might benefit from this non-Hallmark version of Mother&#8217;s Day.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>http://www.milehighmamas.com/2008/04/29/278/#comment-2287</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing something so personal.  I, too, was like Amber.  Before I had my own kids, I really didn&#039;t &quot;get it&quot;.  Now, I kick myself at the &quot;not a big deal&quot; attitude I had when a friend of mine shared her story of loss only after she had given birth to her daughter.  I wonder if there&#039;s a card for &quot;I was such a jackass then - thank you for still being my friend!&quot;.
And Gretchen, I want you to know I am truly sorry for your loss.  

http://milehighmommy.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sharing something so personal.  I, too, was like Amber.  Before I had my own kids, I really didn&#8217;t &#8220;get it&#8221;.  Now, I kick myself at the &#8220;not a big deal&#8221; attitude I had when a friend of mine shared her story of loss only after she had given birth to her daughter.  I wonder if there&#8217;s a card for &#8220;I was such a jackass then &#8211; thank you for still being my friend!&#8221;.<br />
And Gretchen, I want you to know I am truly sorry for your loss.  </p>
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		<title>By: Heth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a miscarriage after my third child was born. It was a new, dark territory of emotions I had never felt before and would never wish on anyone. Gretchen, I am so sorry that you have walked down that path as many times as you have. Thank you for sharing so openly about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a miscarriage after my third child was born. It was a new, dark territory of emotions I had never felt before and would never wish on anyone. Gretchen, I am so sorry that you have walked down that path as many times as you have. Thank you for sharing so openly about it.</p>
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